and ryan couldn't say, he said, i don't really have time to explain the math. and i think in this coming week's debate, with joe biden, that is a question that joe biden will ask over and over again and give them all of the time in the world to explain what deductions they might get rid of. when you look at this rate he is talking about, there is a lot of money that is going to people at the upper end. and it is very hard to offset their tax cut, even if you took away all their deductions. >> e.j., you posed the question, does our presidential campaign look a moral core. what did you mean by that? >> i was struck in the debate that there was very little passion and absolutely no passion for the poor. and that's why i love the nuns on the bus. is because they are telling us, they are not assuming with consultants that middle class people don't care about poor people or low income people. they are saying, we as a country, ought to care about them. and you know, i love to see a politician say what fdr once said. he said better the occasional faults of a government